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Wednesday, March 09, 2005

60th Anniversary WWII celebrations in Russia leave bitter taste in Baltic countries

By Aussiegirl

A controversy is brewing over the plans to celebrate the 60th
Anniversary of the end of WWII in Russia as two of the the Baltic
countries have refused to participate. Having some Lithuanian friends
and knowing some of the horrors they suffered at Russian hands AFTER
the end of the war I am not surprised in the least. The end of the war for
these countries meant the end of independence which they enjoyed
between the two world wars and their delivery into the hands of Soviet terror,
execution, deportation and slavery.

Read some news history you might be surprised to learn:

Analysis: Russia, Baltics spar over WWII:
[World News]: By GARETH HARDING, Chief European Correspondent BRUSSELS,
March 9 :

Supporters of the European Union often like to boast how the 25-member
bloc has helped heal the wounds of Europe's bloody past, expunge the
bitter memories of the World War II and put an end to historical
rivalries among opposing states.

But the decision by the presidents of Estonia and Lithuania not to
attend Russian celebrations marking the 60th anniversary of the end of
World War II on May 9 shows that Europe's bloody past has yet to be
consigned to the history books in some parts of the continent.

"The sufferings of the people of Estonia caused by World War II and
those of the following years have not yet died away from the memory of
the people," said Estonian President Arnold Ruutel Monday, explaining
why he would not be joining other world leaders in Moscow.

"We cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that, after the end of German
occupation, the chance to restore their own state was forcibly taken
away from the people of Estonia."

Valdas Adamkus, the President of Lithuania, said he would be
the 60th anniversary of the defeat of Nazism, but not in the Russian
capital.Recounting how over 350,000 people -- one tenth of the
population -- were imprisoned, deported to Russian gulags or massacred
inside Lithuania, he said: "The perpetration of such crimes continued
our country when the cruelest war in the history of mankind was
officially over.The name of Lithuania disappeared from the map of
for five decades.And we probably would not find a single family in
Lithuania who had escaped losses and terror."
Earlier this year, Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga said she
attend the commemoration in Moscow's Red Square, along with U.S.
President George W.Bush and over 60 other heads of state.But the
leader, who was brought up in a refugee camp in Germany, launched a
blistering broadside against Russia."Under Soviet rule, the three
countries experienced mass deportations and killings, the loss of their
freedom, and the influx of millions of Russian-speaking settlers," she
said, recalling how the victory over fascism led to "brutal occupation
by another foreign, totalitarian empire, that of the Soviet
Union."Vike-Freiberga said mankind's most devastating conflict might
have occurred had the two totalitarian regimes of Nazi Germany and the
Soviet Union not agreed to carve up Eastern Europe between themselves
under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939. "In commemorating those who
lost their lives during the Second World War, we must not fail to
commemorate the crimes against humanity committed by both Hitler and
Stalin.We must not fail to mention these two totalitarian tyrants by
name, lest the world forget the responsibility that they bear for
beginning that war."

Josef Stalin is still regarded as a hero by many elderly Russians for
the part he played in defeating Nazism, and the idea that Moscow and
Berlin were equally responsible for starting the war would be dismissed
by most Russians as revisionist nonsense.In an interview with
journalists before meeting Bush in the Slovak capital, Bratislava, last
month, Russia lashed out at those attempting to "rewrite history" or
"diminish the part played by the Soviet Union and the Soviet Red Army
the victory over Nazism."In the four years of conflict, Moscow lost
than 20 million of its citizens in the fight against fascism -- more
than any other country.
Putin also vigorously defended the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, arguing
it was in the best interests of Moscow at the time and that Western
allies had also supped with the devil by signing the Munich agreement
with Hitler in 1938.Putin's remarks provoked an outcry in the Baltic
States, independent countries between the two world wars that were
forcibly incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1940 and only broke free
from its clutches 50 years later.All three are now members of the EU
NATO and are active in pushing for a more hard-line approach to Russia
in both organizations.

Former Estonian prime minister Mart Laar told United Press
that Russia failed to accept the fact that it was no longer a
holding large swaths of central and eastern Europe in its
imperialist aspirations are the main problem, which is why you see a
rise of neo-Stalinism in Russia.Moscow still lives in hope of restoring
the Russian empire -- as the world witnessed by its intervention in the
Ukrainian elections."

Baltic leaders want Putin to sign an agreement recognizing their
countries' borders and to apologize for Soviet atrocities both during
and after World War II.Some even want Moscow to pay reparations for the
death and destruction caused by half a century of occupation.But the
Russian president, a former KGB operative, has made it clear he has no
intention of saying sorry.In a thinly veiled reference to
Vike-Freiberga, who presented Putin with a book on 20th century history
in January, the Kremlin chief said: "I would advise the new-found
historians, or more precisely, those who want to rewrite history, that
before rewriting it and before writing books, they should learn to read


At 3:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo, Aussiegirl!

It seems Eastern European and post-USSR problems bore much of the rest of the world...

This Lithuanian-American would like to see more attention paid to what revisionist pigs the Russian administration is capable of being.

At 4:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear friends,

If you are bored with the history, you country will make the same mistakes it has made before.

The mass terror for the Bolshevik revolution involved well-paid work of many Lithuanians. It's easy to accuse Russian people of all possible sins. And, true, the communist system changed peoples' psyche tremendously. Still, LEARN about the history, then make judgements (if you think it's your place).

Diana (Penza)

At 8:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please Diane, I'm very unsure of what it is you're after....I'm also unsure of what other history you're referring to when you're saying that I've apparently got my facts wrong and that the Bolshevik genocide of Lithuanians(and other the other Baltic states' peoples) being self-perpetrated.

A handful of traitorous and entrepreneurial cowards doesn't make grounds for a statement such as 'the Bolshevik revolution involved well-paid work of many Lithuanians.'

The revisions I'm speaking of, which Putin and his ex-KGBistai are making, are the shameless comments that the Baltics benefitted immensely from Russia's literal enslavement of their sovereign countries...and everything ELSE which aussiegirl's posted article laid out.

So tell me if I'm wrong...they're all 'lies'?

Oh. And I've been listening to the stories coming from the SSRs and especially those from my father's 8 brother and sisters and my Mom's 5 brothers and sisters who never made it out of that country before the borders were sealed...exile, torture, the paranoid machinations of the KGB pushing their Russification programs.
Lithuanian history classes telling me the truths of Lithuanian history of the past and of those latter days.
I will not dishonor them with an accusation thgat they were running an anti-Russian madrassah system.
So, yes, I DO think it's my place to judge.


At 1:25 PM, Blogger Aussiegirl said...

Waste not your breath, my Lithuanian friend, on this "Diana",who is obviously another one of the many Russian propagandists who troll the internet and pose as "disinterested" experts who warn darkly of "repeating mistakes" because we do not know or understand history - they will never tell you what "history" they are referring to, but their methods, their language, their comments always give them away. They often pose as Americans, but I can recognize them easily.

Of course you are right, and so am I. These same people deny that the Ukrainian Holodomor/Genocide Famine ever took place, or that it was simply a failure of the harvest due to bad weather. They have succeeded in burying (literally) their crimes for decades, and for obfuscating history, and the Western leftist press takes up their cause in continuing to whitewash the imperialist and genocidal nature of Russian domination of Eastern Europe. And they wonder why we don't like them.

Of course -- according to them, Lithuanians exterminated Lithuanians, and Ukrainians starved themselves to death because they were too stupid to bring in the harvest. The cold, hard fact is -- that Russia was and is an evil empire that has the blood of countless millions on its hands, and yet it continues to pose as a great power. The arrogance of Russian nationalism and superiority knows no bounds. And they are not used to being outed or challenged.

Thanks so much for commenting on my blog. Please come again, and do write to me at my email address if you have additional information that I might use on the situation in Lithuania. You can access my email by clicking on my profile.

At 3:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'...this "Diana",who is obviously another one of the many Russian propagandists who troll the internet and pose as "disinterested" experts who warn darkly of "repeating mistakes" because we do not know or understand history...'

It honestly boggles my mind that with the amassed 'wealth' of information concerning the paranoid/schizoid terror machine called the SSR, that someone still thinks there's a market for this 'OH! But we were good!, how can you not know that?'-type of idiotic disingenuousness.

What Diana, do you think that you're preaching to a group of infants? You find it fun to promulgate that all Leftists are existing in some 'just-born' world, do you?

...and Diana, if you're indeed this breed of dunderhead 'Russian propagandist' aussiegirl' says she's seen, there exists a thing called an 'article' in the English language; the word 'the', the word 'a'....without those, it's a sure giveaway to your origins.

Better still, just keep ill-thought-out comments like those to yourself.

...sorry...couldn't resist.

...and FWIW, it's not the Russian people, generally, that I hate. Not anymore, now that I have such close contact with many Lithuanian emigrants to this country. The rank-and-file Russian generally was screwed around just as much as the rank-and-file Lithuanian...the ones rewarded with rank(in a rank-less society, ha!) and possessing the self-delusion that in their philosophical 'mission', was the implicit need to protect the purity of almighty 'Communism' by reporting and shipping off the innocents who would have the temerity to speak of discomforts, hunger, how much better life was before the lazy opportunistic invaders came on the scene.
You could say things in confidence to a trusted family friend and find yourselves on a train to Siberia the next day.
The snakes who insinuated themselves, baring their fangs after they were trusted, those are the ones to despise.


Thanks for the welcome, aussiegirl.


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